Mark Martin: Controversial?

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    Jon Park

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    The YouTube comments section is such a poopstorm right now with regards to Mark Martin’s performance at the ABC’s.

    I’m going to leave this discussion completely open and want to hear everyone’s opinions, because I’m going to be super biased.

    Argue away!

     

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    Peer

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    Most heared comment and also quite clearely stated :
    What the hell was Kailia doing there judging ?
    When you’re a couple you can see claims of bias coming from miles away.
    Also a very obvious remark : the Beatboxhouse.com (insert akward Kenny urban noise) is a strong force in the US beatbox scene and will be considered as an influence to the judges decision.

    My own opinion is : Not everyone enjoys the new school as much. Sure, we all love liprolls and sub bass and other awesome sounds. And musicality isnt the same for everyone.
    I liked Mark’s performance a bit better then his opponents. But not by a lot.
    It almost seems like i dont like the American style so much and prefer UK Grime and French Power. Meh … It always comes down to personal taste and dislikes are always voiced stronger then the likes.

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    LurningCurve

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    First off, Mark is an experienced beatboxer, who busks regularly in NYC and performs regular on stage (non-battles). So his skills of entertaining an audience is there, which really is a big one up against alot of the beatboxers who never really been on stage. Second, his grooves are amazing. He may not be the most technical in the common sense of the phrase, but damn he makes a great beat.

    I think for the battles, all the votes were fair. I hear claims of bias all across the board. But understand Kaila is only ONE judge out of five. And lets talk about that. Even if Kaila wasnt dating Mark, her vote would have gone to him anyways. They are literal counterparts stylistically; Both are theater geeks and beat-rhymers. So I dont think much of her voting for Mark throughout.

    If you look back at each judge, they voted based on their preference. Gene likes a good groove; Pepouni likes to be impressed in some sort of way, whether do something new or really clean; Dharni likes build ups and drops; Alem likes good flow and technicality. All had something to like about Mark. And the votes for Mark were either unanimous or an over time.

    Now I dont think he should have been ranked second during eliminations, and that was what helped him in the bracket. Tyla, Komodo, Bloomer, Wobbles, Trung Bao, and Audical were in the other branch of the bracket, meaning Mark only had to face one of them in the finals. Only Villain was on his side of the bracket. And whatever you believe about the main battle between Villain and Mark, Mark won the Overtime; whether you believe it should have been an over time or not.

    Finals, I dont have an opinion. I dont remember it enough. But beatboxing-wise, Trung had the lead. But Battle-wise Mark shook him. You’ll see in the battle, Trung got nervous looking at Mark and tries to cover Marks eyes. I asked Mark afterward and it was intentional to look confrontational on stage. And dont say thats not fair. Its a battle.

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    Thranir

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    For me, Trung won, but i don’t think it was a biased decision at the judges, and i really liked that the title went for him. Mark stood calm the entire battle, doing things simple but effective and some huge beats. Trung was really good in every form imo, originality, technicality, musicality. Both were amazing there, and there is no denying on that.

    People should stop talking bad about Kaila, because she has a story behind her, and so many accomplishes that it is unfair to her not to be judging.

    I liked how simplicity is kinda taking over complexity, because there is a few people transforming this to art, and understanding simplicity is almost a key to some good beatboxing. This already happened before with Babeli.

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    It looks like all the hate comes from young teens, judging from the thumbnails on YT and on the lack of content on their YT channels..
    Same goes for the hate on FB, it looks like all teens.

    Why spend so much time and effort on their opinions? There’s a reason why society says they can’t vote on political issues, buy alcohol, drive cars, etc. They’re simply too young and too inexperienced..

    At the end of the day the battles should be about music. All 5 judging criteria are a big part of music and one can’t be seen as more important than the other.

    Most of the teens don’t even get the fact that the space, silence and pauses in the music are just as complex as continuous technical speed spamming of sounds. They can’t even hear if things are out of tempo, out of tune and if the flow of the music is disrupted. Nor do they understand that commitment, self-esteem and self-confidence shines through and has direct influence on the timbre of the sounds that are produced and on the overall feel of the music..

    I always ask the question – Would you buy that piece of music and listen to it again and again?

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    In my opinion, Mark shouldn’t have even been in the final in the first place, Villain should have been against Trung. But as far as the final itself is concerned, I’m not really sure what to think.

    Looking at the judging criteria;

    -Creativity: Trung’s beats seemed way more diverse to me, whereas Mark’s beats all seemed to be a bit too similar throughout the competition. He didn’t switch up much. (TRUNG)

    -Flow: neither was better or worse than the other as far as I can tell, both had perfect flow and structure to their routines. Mark seemed to go for more musical structure, while Trung typically went with the classic buildup-drop type beats that beatboxers have done for ages. (NEITHER)

    -Musicality: Mark Martin is a musical beatboxer. He wins this part hands down (MARK)

    -Technicality: I don’t think there was ever a point when I heard a beat from Mark that made me think “that’s a lot more technical than I could do”. Trung on the other hand was on fire, with rapid pehK, inward tks, slizzer rolls, and more making his routines seem much more fast paced. (TRUNG)

    -Originality: this is a tough one. Mark’s beats were fresh and entertaining, and combined with his lyricism, allowed him to establish his own style. Trung Bao on the other hand, brings a lot of unique sounds, like his crazy inward bass, and his bass cannon. He is also the only beatboxer I know of other than Audical who uses inward tks a lot. I don’t really think it’s fair to say either of these guys are unoriginal (NEITHER)

     

    So after looking at the 5 judging criteria, I would say Trung Bao is the winner. Mark’s beats were well structured, but not complex enough in my opinion. I’ve been beatboxing for a year and a half, and I’m fairly certain I could replicate most of Mark’s beats. Trung’s beats were a hell of a lot more complex, and much harder to execute. Trung also has a much wider sound set, whereas Mark sticks to his basic sounds.

    I also found that musically, Mark is really good at building the beat up, but I think he takes too long to do it. In a 90 second round you need to showcase as much of your skill as possible, which you can’t do if half your round is a buildup. I’d love to see a full 3-4 minute routine from Mark. It would be much more entertaining than a routine of the same length from Trung, simply because Mark is so musical.

    As far as ability is concerned, the two of them are very different. I think Mark is much better with musical, simpler stuff, while Trung is a beast when it comes to complex buildups and drops.

     

    As far as battling goes though, I see Trung as a “battler”, like Alem, while Mark is a “musician” like sh0h.

    So I was very confused when I saw Mark beat Villain and Trung. The one edge he had battle wise, is confidence. He looked like he was ready to devour his opponent at any point. Obviously this is great for battles. You can even see Trung is nervous during the final.

     

    I must ask though, does confidence and personality make up for a more musical albeit repetitive, less ‘battle oriented’ style? I personally don’t think so. I think Trung won that battle. I think he was robbed, just like Villain (although the Villain battle was a lot closer, as Villain seemed to perform better in the small final than he did in the semi).

    And I think the only reason Mark won was because of the judges. If the judges were from a more diverse set of styles, I don’t think Mark would have stood a chance, he especially wouldn’t have ranked so high in the eliminations.

    I think if this was something like world champs, the battle would have gone much like Alem vs Gene in 2015. Gene had the flow, structure, and musicality, but Alem’s beats just required way more skill to perform. Trung would have won hands down if the panel was different.

     

    I don’t want to accuse any judges of screwing with the vote, no matter their relation to the winner. All I’m saying is that under different circumstances, the vote would probably have swung the other way.

     

     

     

    Heck, maybe I’m completely wrong altogether. Maybe beatbox is just evolving more towards musicality, and in the future simpler, easier beats which can make crowds move will be preferred over complex technical beats. Maybe the next world championship final will be Gene vs Mark Martin. Who knows? I guess we’ll just have to wait and see….

     

     

     

     

     

    For the record this was written at 3am, I have a headache and can’t sleep. So if there’s any typos, I apologise. And if this seems like some hateful rant, I’m sorry, it wasn’t meant to be. I just like writing ㄟ(ツ)ㄏ

    Tryin to make a change :-\

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    It looks like all the hate comes from young teens, judging from the thumbnails on YT and on the lack of content on their YT channels.. Same goes for the hate on FB, it looks like all teens. Why spend so much time and effort on their opinions? There’s a reason why society says they can’t vote on political issues, buy alcohol, drive cars, etc. They’re simply too young and too inexperienced.. At the end of the day the battles should be about music. All 5 judging criteria are a big part of music and one can’t be seen as more important than the other. Most of the teens don’t even get the fact that the space, silence and pauses in the music are just as complex as continuous technical speed spamming of sounds. They can’t even hear if things are out of tempo, out of tune and if the flow of the music is disrupted. Nor do they understand that commitment, self-esteem and self-confidence shines through and has direct influence on the timbre of the sounds that are produced and on the overall feel of the music.. I always ask the question – Would you buy that piece of music and listen to it again and again?

    Yeah, everything you just said is absolutely ridiculous. Regardless of whether they’re teenagers or not, at least have the respect to argue with them. The fact that you use their age and not the sentiment behind their arguments as your argument against them shows you off your condescension.

    “Why spend so much time and effort on their opinions”

    Are you legitimately asking why people form opinions. Is your high horse so high that you can’t understand that people, regardless of their age have the ability to fairly show off opinions and have the ability to debate and argue their opinions? Marketplace of ideas, learn about it.

    TL;DR: Get off your high horse

     

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